PDX Gaming Meetup #9 (with whisky)

posted November 1, 2011 9:36 AM | |

Sat December 10 at 5:00 PM, Greg_Ace's abode

4414 SE Center St, Portland, OR, USA (Map & Directions)

I know I haven't made the last two (three?), but afternoons are fine with me...
posted by Specklet at 9:38 AM on November 2, 2011

Specklet, I keep hoping you'll show up.
posted by mimo at 2:12 PM on November 2, 2011

Let's do classic card games. Cortex mentioned poker at the last one, and I love gin. As a game, not a drink.
posted by fiercekitten at 6:37 PM on November 2, 2011

Hearts! Spades! Bridge! Cribbage! Euchre!

I know how to play one of those and have played the others once or fivece over the years and would enjoy playing them again.
posted by curious nu at 8:43 PM on November 2, 2011

I could do the first or second Saturday of Dec, any time of day. (Well, starting late late is not grand, due to the drive home. As late as 5 or 6 would be fine.)

The Sundays of those weekends may work, but are less likely. By then all the Xmas craft markets will be going, and my mom and I usually get to at least one.
posted by dorey_oh at 8:48 PM on November 2, 2011

Also, I have played very few of the classic card game types, but am happy to learn them. Except for poker, maybe, they can't be much harder than the board games we've played recently, right?
posted by dorey_oh at 8:50 PM on November 2, 2011

mimo, aw!
posted by Specklet at 3:35 PM on November 4, 2011

Please keep kicking up the ideas.
I seriously have none....
posted by nickthetourist at 9:23 PM on November 4, 2011

Oh, for locations and times.

I have no preferences on times.

Memail me if you want, nick, and I'll gin up a list of potential locations for us to scout about.
posted by curious nu at 9:28 PM on November 4, 2011

Specklet, I'll keep hope alive! Have fun in England.
posted by mimo at 9:29 PM on November 4, 2011

For people in the NoPo, is The Hop and Vine or Amnesia Brewing could work?
posted by fiercekitten at 10:24 AM on November 5, 2011

Yeah, fix the grammar in the comment above so it's English, if you please. >_<
posted by fiercekitten at 10:25 AM on November 5, 2011

fiercekitten, I think it's time to put down Dr Dan Streetmentioner's Time Traveller's Handbook of 1001 Tense Formations and slowly step away...
posted by Greg_Ace at 7:16 PM on November 8, 2011 [1 favorite]

Right, so this. This is a thing.
posted by cortex at 7:43 AM on November 9, 2011

is can have card games plz?

I'm interested in all card games that aren't poker.
posted by Secretariat at 8:51 AM on November 9, 2011

As far as I can tell, this is a thing that involves drinking whiskey and playing cards at Greg's house on December 10th.
posted by mimo at 9:19 AM on November 9, 2011

Or whisky, depending on one's personal tastes.

I'm up for that, but depending on how many people choose to attend we may need to deal with logistics - i.e. available table space and chairs. My dining table can accommodate 8 people comfortably (but I only have 6 chairs), and I've got a folding card table for an additional 4 people. Might need to have someone(s) bring a few folding chairs.
posted by Greg_Ace at 10:06 AM on November 9, 2011

The 10th? We could make the 10th.

Also, did anyone have interest in playing 1000 blank white cards? We had fun with that a few meetups ago...
posted by Specklet at 10:09 AM on November 9, 2011

So we've agreed on card games w/ whisky on the 10th at Greg's?

Shall I make this official?
Or should Greg make his official?
posted by nickthetourist at 8:27 PM on November 9, 2011

Nuh-uh, YOU started it!!

Go ahead, I'll make my thread point to this one.
posted by Greg_Ace at 9:37 PM on November 9, 2011

Oh, and Specklet: Yes.
posted by Greg_Ace at 9:54 PM on November 9, 2011

BAM! We've got us a shindig! (does cortex still want a hoedown?)
posted by nickthetourist at 10:36 PM on November 9, 2011

There is a Your Mom joke here that I am declining to make. I am a responsible, mature adult.
posted by cortex at 7:09 AM on November 10, 2011

I am a responsible, mature adult.

Umm....we know better.
posted by nickthetourist at 9:36 AM on November 10, 2011

I WILL HOLD MY BREATH UNTIL YOU ACKNOWLEDGE MY MATURITY.
posted by cortex at 9:40 AM on November 10, 2011

Wow, you're good.
Going on 7 minutes now....
posted by nickthetourist at 9:47 AM on November 10, 2011

Okay, I can admit that, on several occasions, you have shown yourself to be a responsible and mature adult....yadda yadda yadda....please don't die.
posted by nickthetourist at 9:55 AM on November 10, 2011

Your mom acknowledges cortex's maturity.

did I do that right?
posted by mimo at 10:32 AM on November 10, 2011

Y'all are so mature, I'm starting to feel out of place!

Boogers!

Okay, I feel better now.
posted by Greg_Ace at 12:51 PM on November 10, 2011

Can I bring a non-MeFi friend? Her name's Jen and she's intrigued by this whole MetaFilter thing.
posted by Specklet at 2:38 PM on November 10, 2011

Jen? I'm sorry, we'll need to work on that. Would she be willing to be called Suzie or Maggie for the evening?
posted by mimo at 3:25 PM on November 10, 2011

she's intrigued by this whole MetaFilter thing.

Well, we can fix that!!
posted by Greg_Ace at 3:38 PM on November 10, 2011

mimo, I thought you wanted more gender backup, lest these parties get dangerously unbalanced.
posted by curious nu at 4:04 PM on November 10, 2011

I didn't say she couldn't come, I said I didn't want to be the only hooha at the wang party. So yes, more hoohas = good.

while we're on the topic of a lack of maturity...
posted by mimo at 7:55 PM on November 10, 2011

Dude, please, the preferred nomenclature is va jay jay.
posted by cortex at 7:57 PM on November 10, 2011

You can call yours whatever you want.
posted by mimo at 8:02 PM on November 10, 2011

I call mine Jeff.
posted by Greg_Ace at 8:43 PM on November 10, 2011

I said I didn't want to be the only hooha at the wang party.

WHOA! people....WTF kind of party is this going to be?

On second thought, I'm not sure I want to know.
posted by nickthetourist at 10:50 PM on November 10, 2011

Dunno about those guys, but I'm just here for the whisky.
posted by Greg_Ace at 8:31 AM on November 11, 2011

So Jen just asked me if this was gonna be some kind of weird "bowl and key" party. Great. Now she thinks MetaFilter is some sort of swingers club.
posted by Specklet at 2:07 PM on November 11, 2011

Any bowls I have out will be filled with snack food. And anyway all I've got for keys is a few orphans that I found in the back of a kitchen drawer when I moved into this place, no idea what they went to.

So I'm at a complete and total loss as to what she's talking about.

though I can't guarantee it won't be weird anyway, just on general principles
posted by Greg_Ace at 3:28 PM on November 11, 2011

So Jen just asked me if this was gonna be some kind of weird "bowl and key" party.

Is this when we all trade cars? If yes, you'd better be prepared to make the monthly payment, too.

But seriously, you should have her look over the site to get a better idea.
posted by nickthetourist at 4:04 PM on November 11, 2011

err....you should probably make sure she skips a few of the comments on this particular thread.
Just sayin'
posted by nickthetourist at 4:04 PM on November 11, 2011

Nah, it's all in good fun. She thinks we're funny.
posted by Specklet at 6:35 PM on November 11, 2011

How are we funny? How are we funny? We're like a clown to her? We're like some sort of funny Voltron clown such that we're multiple people but still assembling into a singular noun that makes the verb agreement in the the previous sentence valid?
posted by cortex at 7:01 PM on November 11, 2011

I just tried to envision Cortex speaking in Joe Pesci's voice, and my brain shorted out.

and anyway, it WAS "Voltron assemble", right? With sort of singular/multiple agreement built in?
posted by Greg_Ace at 8:28 PM on November 11, 2011

and anyway, I AM late to the joke, right?
posted by Greg_Ace at 8:35 PM on November 11, 2011

I'll shut up now.
posted by Greg_Ace at 8:36 PM on November 11, 2011

I just tried to envision Cortex speaking in Joe Pesci's voice, and my brain shorted out.

I almost made it through, but a short circuit resulted in a split second of hysterical laughter.
posted by nickthetourist at 8:50 PM on November 11, 2011

I thought it was a Voltron ensemble like this one.
posted by fiercekitten at 10:57 AM on November 12, 2011

I thought it was a Voltron ensemble like this one.

Too bad he's missing the clown makeup and red nose.
posted by nickthetourist at 1:32 PM on November 12, 2011

I'm in! Greg_Ace, I've got 4 folding chairs I could bring if it looks like we'll need it. Will keep an eye on the attending list.

Questions regarding food-type things. Eat ahead of time? Snacks there? What goes well with whiskey tasting? I can bake something to bring. Chocolatey? Fruity? Othery?
posted by dorey_oh at 11:07 AM on November 14, 2011

Thanks. As for food, if we decide we want to go that route - as opposed to eating ahead of time or simple snacks - here's what I wrote for the previous event:

You can Google "scotch food pairing" for more ideas, but here's a short list of SUGGESTIONS. Don't feel like you have to limit yourself to these! That said: Coffee (as I mentioned I have a regular coffee machine and an espresso machine), dark chocolate, and shortbread/non-flavored crackers tend to be mentioned most often as palate-cleansers between rounds; next come both strongly-flavored desserts and savory/smoked meats; followed by seafood (including raw sushi); various sharp or hard cheeses, olives, and tapenades on crackers or dense dark breads; baked/roasted veggies, mushrooms, or pumpkin seeds; and smoked almonds or mixed nuts. In other words, foods that will stand up to the strong smokey/peaty flavors of various scotches. Easy on the garlic, though, from what I hear - one source said it tends to clash with the scotch flavors. *shrug* Whatever.... Beyond that, fulfill your personal potluck whims, and it'll be fine

(No mention yet of Scotch Eggs this time around...)
posted by Greg_Ace at 11:18 AM on November 14, 2011

Didn't think to check the other thread for food plans/ideas. Looks like a good chance to break out the shortbread recipes, unless something else strikes my fancy in the mean time...
posted by dorey_oh at 12:05 PM on November 14, 2011

Last time, I brought bacon-wrapped dates and fig and bleu cheese cookies/crackers.
posted by mimo at 1:32 PM on November 14, 2011

Last time, I brought bacon-wrapped dates

And they were freaking awesome!
Speaking of which, I think you left the part about how you're going to bring them again....
posted by nickthetourist at 4:09 PM on November 14, 2011

Had them again at a party on Saturday. If I bring them again they will be stuffed with goat cheese instead of almonds.
posted by mimo at 4:33 PM on November 14, 2011

mimo, I'm drooling!

We have a couple folding chairs as well, and I'll figure out something nommy to nom on.
posted by Specklet at 9:37 AM on November 15, 2011

mimo, I'm drooling!

Ew. Please fix that before the party or no one is going to want to talk to you.
posted by mimo at 10:20 AM on November 15, 2011

I'm bringing ghetto pan au chocolat. Don't ask, just accept.
posted by fiercekitten at 8:27 PM on November 16, 2011

Shoot, I wanted to ask where one purchases a ghetto pan! I just got a visual of you in a store holding up two pans and asking, "Which one is more ghetto, this one...or this one?"

...Or would a ghetto pan be, like, scavenged scrap metal or an old hubcap?

I do like chocolate, though, so maybe I should just shut up.
posted by Greg_Ace at 8:48 PM on November 16, 2011

FYI, there was an AskMe about whiskey recommendations today.
posted by mimo at 9:23 AM on November 17, 2011

Man, that whisky chart is awesome! Why have I never seen it before? Definitely taking a printout with me on my next liquor store run.
posted by Greg_Ace at 1:47 PM on November 17, 2011

Ardbeg and Lagavulin are, of course, the nails holding that particular tapestry up.
posted by cortex at 1:58 PM on November 17, 2011

At the last tasting, Ardbeg tasted to me like whisky that someone had dumped an over-generous amount of Liquid Smoke into - it tasted artificial and overdone. Since then, I've tried and LOVED both Laphroaig 10 and Lagavulin 16, to the point that now Lagavulin is my all-time favorite, beating out Laphroaig by a whisky whisker, and Macallan 12 in third place. So maybe it's time to take another stab at Ardbeg...
posted by Greg_Ace at 2:38 PM on November 17, 2011

Hi! I'll actually be visiting Portland at that time, I'd love to join in the fun!
posted by so much modern time at 9:45 PM on November 17, 2011

Please do, so much modern time!
posted by Greg_Ace at 11:51 AM on November 18, 2011

i'll bring us some coffee and maybe something meat-style from otto's. and my girlfriend, hopefully, who did not look too suspicious when i suggested that we go drink whisky with the internet.
posted by beefetish at 2:08 PM on November 18, 2011

Hey guys, dhruva posted a note to my proposed/combined/now-dormant "whisky tasting" event thread saying he'd be in Portland Dec 16-30. Anybody up for trying another Green Dragon meetup on Dec. 17 (the Saturday after Game Day #9)?
posted by Greg_Ace at 9:33 PM on November 18, 2011

Anybody up for trying another Green Dragon meetup on Dec. 17

Put it out there. It will happen, or it won't.
posted by mimo at 7:39 AM on November 19, 2011

Anybody up for trying another Green Dragon meetup on Dec. 17 (the Saturday after Game Day #9)?

Why the hell not?
posted by nickthetourist at 9:20 AM on November 19, 2011

Put it out there. It will happen, or it won't.

If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that...
Hey-o!
posted by Greg_Ace at 2:27 PM on November 19, 2011

Is anyone willing/able to play pinochle?
I used to play at family gatherings, but it's been more than a decade.
Should I bring a deck along?
posted by nickthetourist at 6:18 PM on November 25, 2011

I don't think I've ever played it but I'm willing to learn. As a kid I mostly thought of pinochle decks as AWESOME POKER HAND EVERY TIME.

Also, my mother-in-law just gave me and the wife a quick walking tour of Euchre yesterday, if anyone is conversant and wants to try and get a game of that together. Or Hearts or other such stuff.
posted by cortex at 6:22 PM on November 25, 2011

I've got an ancient but serviceable copy of Hoyle's Rules at the house, which includes entries for Pinochle, Euchre, Hearts, and probably just about any other (traditional) card game you could mention.
posted by Greg_Ace at 7:36 PM on November 25, 2011

I am willing to play any card game badly.
posted by mimo at 9:22 PM on November 25, 2011

Whist uses half a pinochle deck, so even if we never figure out pinochle, we can use it for whist.
posted by fiercekitten at 2:32 PM on November 27, 2011

I think all these games were invented by people who couldn't keep track of a full deck of cards.
posted by mimo at 4:11 PM on November 27, 2011

I think all these games were invented by people who couldn't keep track of a full deck of cards.

This could be related to the quantity of alcohol consumed during play.
posted by nickthetourist at 4:41 PM on November 27, 2011

This could be related to the quantity of alcohol consumed during play.

Why yes, another pint of mead sounds delightful, and... Blast it all but I seem to have lost the sixes. Those aren't really important anyway, right?
posted by curious nu at 5:27 PM on November 27, 2011

Sadly, I won't be able to make it to this meetup after all. But is anyone going to the Craft Fair or the Digital Marketing Conference? I'd love to meet other MeFites while I'm in town!
posted by so much modern time at 2:55 PM on November 30, 2011

Curious if anyone might be interested in a game of Monopoly. Specifically Futurama Monopoly.
posted by nickthetourist at 11:41 AM on December 3, 2011

Curious if anyone might be interested in a game of Monopoly. Specifically Futurama Monopoly.

No, no one will ever be interested in that.
posted by mimo at 1:29 PM on December 3, 2011

Not even me.

Also, this is for card games, you subversive.
posted by curious nu at 1:39 PM on December 3, 2011

Also, this is for card games, you subversive.

There are cards involved.
posted by nickthetourist at 1:50 PM on December 3, 2011

There are cards involved.

There is going to be a lot of whisk(e)y and games where cards go missing and it doesn't matter.
posted by mimo at 2:10 PM on December 3, 2011

"Bank Error, Collect $2837023820 dollars for compound interest and also a sardine can" does not count.
posted by curious nu at 2:10 PM on December 3, 2011

So, this is a thing this weekend. I'm thinking of a bottle of Bowmore 12 because I've been drinking the standard. Anyone else have any plans?
posted by mimo at 9:41 PM on December 6, 2011

I've got a fresh bottle of Glenmorangie 10 I can bring.
posted by cortex at 10:00 PM on December 6, 2011

We're bringing ghetto dessert and a bottle of port.
posted by nickthetourist at 8:12 AM on December 7, 2011

Who's bringing the bottle of starboard?

[har har har, sometimes I just SLAY myself].
posted by mimo at 10:51 AM on December 7, 2011

Caol Ila 12 and smoked salmon spread with crackers and raw veggies.
posted by Greg_Ace at 11:22 AM on December 7, 2011

Who's bringing the bottle of starboard?
posted by nickthetourist at 12:23 PM on December 7, 2011

Will we be terribly ostracized if we bring no whisk(e)ys?! So much pressure. I do not want to be judged harshly for a substandard offering.
posted by curious nu at 9:06 AM on December 8, 2011

You will not be terribly ostracized. Mostly you just need to show up.

For what it's worth, you would not be ostracized for showing up with any whiskey that cost more than maybe 15 dollars either, and if you want to use this as an excuse to pick yourself up a nice affordable bottle of bourbon or rye that you go home with most of I think we can make some recommendations.
posted by cortex at 9:47 AM on December 8, 2011

I think we can make some recommendations.

Understatement of the year...
posted by Greg_Ace at 10:12 AM on December 8, 2011

Ostracized? No. But be prepared to share either one thing very clever, two things moderately clever, or three things very dull indeed.
posted by mimo at 10:37 AM on December 8, 2011

BADLY DONE, EMMA

VERY BADLY DONE
posted by cortex at 10:42 AM on December 8, 2011

I am sure I shall never forgive myself.
posted by mimo at 11:03 AM on December 8, 2011

Okay I am bringing some kind of alcohols.

Also: cribbage.

Also also: two decks of playing cards.

Also also also: a pack o' poker chips for poker-ing and/or counting of various sorts.

Additionally: I think I left my book o' rules at Greg's house from last time, so I am bringing that, in the future, from the past.
posted by curious nu at 4:34 PM on December 9, 2011

Nice trick, curious nu. Interestingly, your book didn't seem to be here or not here until I went to look. Spooky....

I determined that I do have one complete set of cards, so nobody can say I'm not playing with a full deck! (Also, all the knives in my drawer are quite uniformly sharp. But I digress.) Anyway, yes, it's probably a good idea to have folks bring a few additional decks for the various gamings.

Finally, dorey_oh and specklet have agreed to bring chairs; but if at all possible, from the looks of the attendance+maybe list it would help if someone else could bring, say, another 4 chairs just to be on the safe side.

(I remember, when I was a kid, my grandparents had this great set of nice wooden folding chairs with a nifty storage rack to keep them in, for bridge nights at their house. Can't find something like that nowadays for love nor money)
posted by Greg_Ace at 6:41 PM on December 9, 2011

At least dorey_oh knows she's bringing chairs! Anything else is still undecided. I will bring something edible, and possibly something drinkable as well. Apparently the details of the bringing shall be a surprise to all.
posted by dorey_oh at 7:55 PM on December 9, 2011

I don't think I have any folding chairs to bring (apparently; no idea what has happened to them), but can bring a small folding card table if that'd be helpful.
posted by curious nu at 11:04 AM on December 10, 2011

We can bring a couple chairs, I think.
Just have to find them.

Will we have fire again? Outside or in?
posted by nickthetourist at 11:17 AM on December 10, 2011

curious nu - It couldn't hurt.

nickthetourist - Yes. And yes.
posted by Greg_Ace at 12:32 PM on December 10, 2011

running late. anticipate arriving closer to 6pm.
posted by mimo at 4:32 PM on December 10, 2011

I am feeling sickly and don't want to infect anyone, so I'll see you all next time.
posted by Sibrax at 4:41 PM on December 10, 2011

I am showing up last minute. I don't have any whisky, but I am making some scotch eggs right now.

And I'll bring dominion I guess as well.
posted by mrzarquon at 4:42 PM on December 10, 2011

Am en route, will be there about 5:15. Have scotch and garlic bread.
posted by cortex at 4:43 PM on December 10, 2011

liek mimo said
posted by beefetish at 5:50 PM on December 10, 2011

Leaving soonish. Do we need to bring a few chairs?
posted by Specklet at 6:03 PM on December 10, 2011

Sorry we are late. Dad's birthday.
posted by Specklet at 6:03 PM on December 10, 2011

Next time, live thread of 1k blank white cards!
posted by 0bs01337 at 11:06 PM on December 10, 2011

I almost feel like we should reboot 1KBWC in the new year. The deck that exists is great but some of the of the dominant themes are beginning to feel psychically oppressive across the arc of multiple games. Too many donkeys, too many ponies. Hooves everywhere.

Also: your mom.
posted by cortex at 11:09 PM on December 10, 2011

cortex, agreed.

also, I will be practicing my penmanship.
posted by mimo at 11:19 PM on December 10, 2011

Your mom practices pen-- never mind. Forget I said anything.
posted by Greg_Ace at 11:37 PM on December 10, 2011

I almost feel like we should reboot 1KBWC

Are you suggesting a 1kBWC specific meetup?
I had a great idea for a new card on the drive home!

And thanks again to Greg for hosting.
posted by nickthetourist at 11:46 PM on December 10, 2011

Yes, thanks for hosting, Greg!

I think we should split the IKBWC deck: I'll keep one for my personal use, and start another specifically for MetaFilter. That way you guys won't get pulled into the pony/donkey vortex, and my friends won't get confused by the MeFi... flavor.
posted by Specklet at 12:55 PM on December 11, 2011

HITLER PATROL
posted by cortex at 1:27 PM on December 11, 2011

I realized that one problem was probably that we kept drawing from the main deck, instead of drawing blank cards instead. That.. probably would've helped. (I assume you can draw from either deck when you draw cards, but that could be wrong)
posted by curious nu at 2:42 PM on December 11, 2011

I realized that one problem was probably that we kept drawing from the main deck, instead of drawing blank cards instead.

I thought the purpose was to mix blank cards into the main deck, and draw on them when drawn from the deck.

We may need to have a card-making session fueled by more booze and tasty things.
posted by nickthetourist at 4:43 PM on December 11, 2011

Ah, the main deck has blank cards mixed in, but if there are many games played in succession, one must add in new blank cards.

But yes, card-making session fueled by more booze and tasty things!
posted by Specklet at 5:47 PM on December 11, 2011

Yes, split the deck. There must be some obvious MetaFilter ones to separate out to form the core of a new deck. Those participating in the next game could also bring a handful of new cards to contribute if they'd like (such as nick's great idea), and the rest will grow from there.
posted by mimo at 6:41 PM on December 11, 2011

I sense a "booze and tasty things" meetup in the making...

At one point toward the end of the first whisky-tasting earlier this year, one suggestion was a cocktail-themed tasting where we could each bring the appropriate ingredients for our favorite mixed drink. I could easily see that working well with a 1KBWC gathering.
posted by Greg_Ace at 8:24 PM on December 11, 2011

If that becomes a thing, by the way, I volunteer for mint-juleps.
posted by Greg_Ace at 8:25 PM on December 11, 2011

I sense a "booze and tasty things" meetup in the making...

To quote mimo, "Put it out there. It will happen, or it won't."
posted by nickthetourist at 11:16 AM on December 12, 2011

Deck has been split. Thanks for getting it back to me, fiercekitten!
posted by Specklet at 5:12 PM on December 12, 2011

Deck has been split.

I hope that was accomplished through an elaborate and arcane ceremony.
posted by mimo at 5:57 PM on December 12, 2011

How could it not be?? Hell, just playing the game is an elaborate and arcane ceremony!
posted by Greg_Ace at 7:19 PM on December 12, 2011

How could it not be?? Hell, just playing the game is an elaborate and arcane ceremony!

* draws cards at random, discards the boring ones *
posted by curious nu at 8:09 PM on December 12, 2011

*gasp* Philistine!!
posted by Greg_Ace at 8:12 PM on December 12, 2011

This... this aggression will not stand, man!
posted by Specklet at 9:16 AM on December 13, 2011

Yeah, those cards tied the whole room together, dude!
posted by Greg_Ace at 10:06 AM on December 13, 2011

Well, if you want to do things like "follow the rules" then I guess it can't be helped!
posted by curious nu at 11:41 AM on December 13, 2011

I'm an iconoclastic rebel, I am!

Or maybe a radical centrist.

Or maybe just confused.
posted by Greg_Ace at 2:13 PM on December 13, 2011

It's a game where you make your own rules. If you are bored, no one else can help you. Be the change!
posted by mimo at 3:35 PM on December 13, 2011

I was!
posted by curious nu at 3:39 PM on December 13, 2011

Be the change, but don't let yourself get nickel-and-dimed to death. And neither take nor give any quarter!
posted by Greg_Ace at 3:49 PM on December 13, 2011